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I bought some of the Siebert Sage Wisdom extract leaves. I was a total skeptic. I got home to my apartment, and was going to chill out, clean up a bit, relax, etc. But then I figued - this stuff is nonense, I dont have to be a shaman to feel the effects if the stuff is any good. So I did what everybody told me not to do - rip the package open and start bong hitting. After 2 bong hits - it's like being thrust forward into the peak of an acid trip. No gradual onset - just BAM, all of the sudden the space around me was .... too wierd to explain. The Simpsons were on TV, and for some reason every line out of Bart's mouth seemed to be connected to the trip - I remember being like, "but how could The Simpsons know, how could they be part of this ?". Watching the TV, I honestly thought Bart's school bus was driving off into the "wrong side" of my living room, and I was thinking about what a problem this would be when I "returned". The voice you use to speak to yourself, starts to feel like a seperte entity - and I know if I did anymore I would have gone crazy. The thing is, that after 2 hits, youre so confused as to what the hell just hit you, that the last thing you are thinking about is packing another one. When it started wearing off about 15 minures later - I was relieved, and remianed mildly stoned for a little bit, with a head-heavy feeling - like you will topple over if you lean in any direction. I grabbed the rest, threw it in a shoebox, with no intention of doing it again. It's still there right now. I hop[e I dont get curious again, because that stuff is crazy.
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Re: Salvia Is Too Intense
Tue, February 21, 2006 - 2:51 PMthat's why you don't take extract, even when it's on leaves. the threshold between one level and another is too different for different people.
smoke the dried leaves with nothing added.
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Re: Salvia Is Too Intense
Tue, February 21, 2006 - 3:18 PMIt's only crazy if you <miss use it > i recomend to people that this is <not something you do every day>.
Everyone is different in body metabolisime don't forget ,so some people might be affected more than others(let a week or two even a month go by before you smoke again)
Then take a good <pure> toke.
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Fri, February 24, 2006 - 12:30 PMIm just warning anybody out there who thinks they are going to chill out and giggle hysterically, or for those of you who remain skeptics about this stuff. It's totally for real - My thinking was that because it's not illegal (yet), that there's no way all of this stuff posted here, about people turning into paperclips and what have you, can be real. I was sure everybody was full of it. The stuff is downright scary - the remainder that I threw in my shoebox, ended up in the toilet after I tried it once more. The 2nd time - it was even more intense. I did not like the feeling of identity loss - you return thinking the real world is a sham, and that you - I mean, yourself as an individual - doesnt really exist. I also didnt care for the cold sweat it brings on, not any people have reported this - but you get a cold sweat, like a wave of opiate withdrawal for a half hour after use. Everybody talks about "exploration" with this stuff - well, I have yet to read one single report where somebody actually "found" anything which may have value in the real world upon return. No grand insight or revelation which holds up in the real world - at the time, sure - you feel like youre getting some kind of divine insight. But upon return - none of it makes any sense. After a few times, if youre still doing it, I must ask you - what are you looking for, other than an escape - like with any other drug ? What have you found ? What nugget of information were you able to return with, that helped you in the real world in any way whatsoever ? All I returned with was a much greater appreciation for reality - sober, unimpaired everyday life - I was so happy to have it back after being in that bizzare place. It's a madhouse ! -
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Tue, February 28, 2006 - 1:48 PMIn reply to Tom:
Depends on your center I suppose. Me, I'm the type of person that can get far too caried away with everyday life. I find myself becoming judgemental, closed-minded, resentful and down right material. Not the person I wish to be at all. To me, salvia does something similar to what you described as making life look like a "sham". The difference is that, for me, I come back taking the physical world a little less seriously -- this is good for me. A certian level of detachment from the material world allows me to keep my focus on what really matters most - the spirit. I am still very much in this world, just no so engrossed in and consumed by all the subliminal messages flying around society telling me that to be a successful human being I must fit some template designed by a societal group-mind. I find it very intense, but incredibly refreshing. I do respect your opinions, but each to their own.
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Fri, February 24, 2006 - 5:19 PMI read the posts - and I still have yet to discover anybody who stumbled across some divine bit of information which they were able to remember upon return. It basically all comes down to people being blown away, and seeing crazy stuff, and feeling crazy things, and blurting out "oh my god - holy shit". But upon return ? None of it makes sense to any of them - they never seem to analyze the experience in retrospect, and ascertain anything valuable from it. Sure - everybody agrees it was profound, incredible, and indescribable - none of which Id argue with. But - What have these trips learned you, to do any good in the real world ? Nothing - Its just an incredible experience that we cant make sense of upon return - and thats it. Anybody who seeks to try it - go ahead, Id say do it once or twice. It is amazing - I cant deny that. But youre not going to gain any kind of divine insight from it - it's basically going to be chalked up to a "holy shit man", and nothing more profound or visionary than that. -
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Sat, February 25, 2006 - 12:33 PMI have a rather limited experience with Salvia. Generally I've never smoked enough to get the "full" effects. I do intend to, but it's hard when you need to get all that smoke in such short time and all you have are a few small bowls. I don't neccessarily think one needs to experience the "full" effect anyway to get something from it.
Are you an artist? ever tried creating something while under the influence of Salvia? I have. I'm an art student, and I have a painting I've been working on sorta on the side. It's a spiritual piece. I did some of it while progressively smoking a bowl of salvia. It's really interesting how it works with you creatively. In my experience, Salvia has a heavy emphasis on watery imagery, anything flowing, usually water itself. To me, salvia invokes visions, but what I take from it spiritually are the feelings I get from those images. I don't feel like Salvia will ever let me have a revalation or epiphany so much as provide further clarity or perhaps some new insight. I've always used to it free my thoughts, seperate myself from the physical world and let my thoughts go to work. I suppose in that way I could have a revalation, but it would have to stem from something pre-existing.
I guess it's just how you interpret what you see. I suppose some people wont be able to. I've always used visuals to invoke emotions and feelings, I suppose that's why I'm an artist, so visual trips for me create feelings which is mostly where my spiritual interpretations come from. -
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Mon, February 27, 2006 - 9:35 AMUninformed Questions:
Is this stuff a "controlled substance"?
Would it be advisable (not just for me; for all readers) to not "experiement" with it alone? It sounds like Tom could have walked out of his apartment naked and gotten arrested if he HAD taken one more hit.
Some people may need a little encouragement to take protective measures to insure they don't "come off" the stuff talking to addicts at the local free clinic. -
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Mon, February 27, 2006 - 11:09 AMnot controlled. legal.
people don't tend to wander around on salvia.
on low doses, you come down easily if you have too much external stimulation
on high doses, you aren't walking anyware.
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Wed, March 1, 2006 - 7:07 AMTalking to addicts at the clinic ? What do you mean - a methadone clinic ? The salvia thing is so far removed from anything addictive, like opiates - you'd never end up in a clinic for slavia ? You may end up in the looney-bin however, if a cop sees you behaving erradically under it's influence, and decides you are a threat to yourself or others. I'd say if you can have someone hang around to watch you - if not, start small. Youll probably notice that you get confused, and stunned by the onset, that you cant make it to the 3rd hit - because after 2, youre such a mess that you wont be able to pack another - loss of coordination alone will prevent it. The only way I can see possible to get to these higher levels - is if you pack a HUGE bong hit of 20x extract, and take it all in one hit - or have someone feed you the 3rd and 4th hits. Alone, I couldnt get past two - after that, I became separated from "relaity" and lost my identity - ever so happy to have them back a few minutes later. I dont like the stuff and dont have any desire to do it again.
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Tue, February 28, 2006 - 2:43 PMIm a musician - I have about $5g of recording equipment and guitars lying around my apartment. The very first thing I did before smoking the stuff was to put them away in my walk in closet, so I didnt get any bright ideas while freaking out on the stuff. I used to be one of those people who thoght drugs enhanced my creativity - now I realize thats a load of crap, and I love music and art in it's raw form...sober. -
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Tue, February 28, 2006 - 4:35 PMthere's deifinately merit to that. I tend to think of it not so much as a creativity enhancer, but rather another avenue for my creative outlet. the work I produce under the influence of a plant is very different from the work I produce slower. honestly, it all depends on the type of work I'm trying to do. if I'm painting something realistic, then I prefer to do it sober. it all just depends on where I want the piece to go. I guess you could say that sometimes I use plants as a medium for my art, like various mediums mixed into oil paints, I will sometimes mix a plant into my creative process. usually when I'm experimenting. -
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Thu, March 2, 2006 - 1:30 PMPersonally, I don't even mess with this stuff anymore.
But I have bought a few megatons so that when it becomes illegal (because some fool disregards the advice of the WHOLE INTERNET COMMUNITY...and dies... or accidently drives his car into a bunch of babies while smoking what he thought would give him 'a rush, man' thus attracting the attention of the parenting lobbies who force the DEA to 'do something' about it...etc etc.)
I can either A) sell $50 hits
or B) share wisely with (what I deem to be) worthwhile seekers.
Peace<<<<
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Re: Salvia Is Too Intense
Wed, May 31, 2006 - 3:14 AMYou were looking for a party drug....Stick to your party drugs and don't label something you fail to use responsibly...
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Tue, June 27, 2006 - 4:20 PMI had a similar experience, way too intense my first time. I wanted though to comment on weather or not anyone has found any great meaning in its use, and I have one. I came back with a new appreciation for life. I was not someone that did not appreciate life, infact I am very spiritual, however I gained a respect for what life is that I did not have before. I also found another benefit, and that has to do with chemical dependency. I have realized now that I have been an alcoholic for the last few years, not that I am unhealthy, or am not doing well in life, but I have been drinking a lot more than I realized, several margaritas in a night, or 3 - 6 beers in a night, I know it dosn't sound bad, and I convinced my self always that there was nothing wrong with that despite my medical eduction. But after my experience (as I can call it nothing esle) with Salvia I have quite drinking, its not that I decided to quit, its just that I no longer feel like having a drink, its weird, but its very true. I came back from my experience with an appreciation for reality in a way that I never had, I mean clear headed sober reality. I tried salvia because I felt like I needed a vision quest, and was looking for shrooms but thought I would try salvia instead. Its not the same, they are not even in the same plain as eachother, but I have gained a new respect for life, and for reality. It benefited me in this way. Also I was reading and some scientists are doing research on salinorin A in that it may help people with chemical dependency, the link is here: www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php So perhaps its not just the experience that I had of melting into my bedroom floor and touching the corners of the universe all at once that cause me to stop drinking, but it was worth the trip, as fantastic and as terrifying as it was. -
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Mon, July 17, 2006 - 3:28 PM"All I returned with was a much greater appreciation for reality - sober, unimpaired everyday life - I was so happy to have it back after being in that bizzare place."
Sounds like you got your gift and kernel of insight! Don't say you didn't bring anything back from your meeting with Her. You may never need to go back, but thank Her all the same.
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